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Topic: Precinct Car Park
Posted By: Malc London
Subject: Precinct Car Park
Date Posted: 22 February 2016 at 12:46pm
Well the new parking restrictions certainly have emptied the car park and probably those shoppers who would have dropped into one of the precinct shops after visiting Market Place. I also wonder if shops in the high street are suffering. I used to visit Judds or Flames when parking in the precinct but that now will end up costing you a ticket.

On the plus side, the occasional trip to Halls is now easier.

A traffic warden was checking the cars on Market Place this afternoon so the safest bet is to park in the main car park or go elsewhere.








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Posted By: Dave-R
Date Posted: 22 February 2016 at 6:15pm
I thought you got an hour? SO if you park there why cant you go to the High Street?


Posted By: MV Owner
Date Posted: 22 February 2016 at 7:51pm
Forget the trips to Flames or Judds Malc (these are in all reality simply 5 minute affairs unless you are going for a dine in a flames)



Posted By: Hugh G Rection
Date Posted: 22 February 2016 at 9:36pm
Just whack it up between the public toilets and hsbc with hazards on if you are just popping to Flames.


Posted By: big baggles
Date Posted: 23 February 2016 at 10:47am
car park was empty yesterday, went into the post office, halls, genesis , judds and the bank...easy peasy...in and out in 35 mins...

the retailers i spoke to in 2 different shops in the precinct say its benefitted them as their customers can now park, -nip in make their purchase and then go on their way, 




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Posted By: JohnohUK
Date Posted: 23 February 2016 at 1:36pm
So easy to park for the shops now... much better...

Noticed two nice little cameras under a balcony by the entrance, suspect this is watching the number plates for the 1hr limit.. hope it doesn't get its knickers in twist if you visit multiple times in a day...



Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 23 February 2016 at 7:57pm
You can only visit the shops in the precinct whilst parked there

If you go to Judds you risk being fined.

Likewise Budgens is just whilst you are in the store. Not the chemist.

If you want to go to any shops on the High Street you must park in Market Street or the main car park.


Posted By: MV Owner
Date Posted: 23 February 2016 at 8:17pm
What about if you need to go to the George


Posted By: watsy
Date Posted: 23 February 2016 at 9:23pm
Its closed?


Posted By: MV Owner
Date Posted: 23 February 2016 at 10:05pm
I didnt know it is closed, must be an age since Ive been in there then


Posted By: Hugh G Rection
Date Posted: 24 February 2016 at 8:07pm
It's closed downstairs...


Posted By: MV Owner
Date Posted: 24 February 2016 at 9:10pm
what about upstairs then Hugh?


Posted By: Nicky
Date Posted: 25 February 2016 at 5:21pm
Does anyone know how on earth they can police where you shop within the one hour time limit? I have visions of a man wearing dark glasses and a brown trench coat following people around the shops Smile


Posted By: MV Owner
Date Posted: 25 February 2016 at 5:46pm
Hugh G Rection, Has Nicky seen you in real life??????????????


Posted By: big baggles
Date Posted: 26 February 2016 at 11:58pm
nicky they cant, the cameras detect your registration upon arrival in the precinct car park via the 2 digital cameras fitted, they also  register what time you leave the car park, if the duration is over 60 mins i guess they apply to DVLA for registered keeper details to send you a letter...

from my observation the two  bays by timpsons/ natwest will be diffiicult to monitor from the current camera positions

i usually walk, but if i dont i will continue to park in precinct, and use the post office, genesis, halls and the likes along with judds birrings and other village shops, i will just make sure i dont stay for more than 60 minutes...

the cameras are pointing towards the george/ greyhound, they have no idea where the drivers have gone to shop ... dont take any notice of the daft postings on here about ' may get a fine if you go to flames'

people like to panic over nothing.... 


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Posted By: Dave-R
Date Posted: 27 February 2016 at 9:06am
Sometimes they have a guy sitting in a car watching, if you park up and leave the vicinity he will write out a ticket. There ll be a box on there ticked as the reason for the ticket is that you left the area.


Posted By: MV Owner
Date Posted: 27 February 2016 at 9:42am
what a sad life he must lead


Posted By: Bucks Fizz
Date Posted: 27 February 2016 at 11:32am
Looks like Malc is right. The precinct car park was empty this (Saturday) morning when I called at Halls for a loaf. It's ages since I've parked in the village since, like most locals now, I shop in GX where 3 hours free parking is on offer.

I hadn't realised one is only supposed to park in the precinct if using the precinct shops. This fact will prevent me from parking there again, as will the constant approaches from the Big Issue seller. He's polite enough, but I shouldn't have to be made to feel guilty for not buying a magazine for the homeless from someone who isn't homeless.

One hour's parking may be enough to pick up a loaf and some sausages, but it's not long enough to pick up those items AND have your hair done and queue at the bank. I can do all these things in GX without having to pay for parking.

Let's hope the Co-op when they arrive see the sense of extending their parking to 2 hours. I might just be tempted in if they do.

The staff in a very empty Budgens were looking pretty miserable this morning too. Perhaps it's due to impending job losses but the lady who served me this morning did not respond to my cheery 'good morning', did not tell me the price of my totalled items, so I had to put my glasses on to read the till, and she virtually threw the change at me before walking away and leaving the till unmanned. Tal about a wordless exchange. It was gone 10 o'clock and not all the lights were turned on over the counters. 'Doesn't exactly make you feel welcome.



Posted By: MV Owner
Date Posted: 27 February 2016 at 11:53am
Bucks,  you are probably right they may be concerned about redundancy and if you aren't made to feel welcome then generally you'll go elsewhere

Unfortunately, some people dont understand the value of a smile or a bit of charm.  I have on the otherhand which is why since mastering the art I have found myself pretty irresitable to women


Posted By: Bucks Fizz
Date Posted: 28 February 2016 at 10:08am
Then I am prepared to endorse your application to join the staff at the new Co-op, MV.


Posted By: MV Owner
Date Posted: 28 February 2016 at 11:16am
I would let High G rection in the back door


Posted By: MV Owner
Date Posted: 28 February 2016 at 11:19am
of the Co-op I must add


Posted By: Nicky
Date Posted: 01 March 2016 at 9:28pm
Thanks Baggles.  I'm thinking I'll park there and whizz around the village and just take my chances on the sad, lonely man sitting in his car clocking where people are shopping!  On the plus side, no longer do I have to drive around with charity shop stuff in my boot for three months, always a space these days :)


Posted By: Hugh G Rection
Date Posted: 01 March 2016 at 10:36pm
I popped down to my favourite establishment above the George earlier...plenty of spaces.


Posted By: big baggles
Date Posted: 02 March 2016 at 11:45am
Originally posted by Dave-R Dave-R wrote:

Sometimes they have a guy sitting in a car watching, if you park up and leave the vicinity he will write out a ticket. There ll be a box on there ticked as the reason for the ticket is that you left the area.

to go to the bank to get cash to pay for goods and service purchased in the precinct, - you are not making a 'purchase' at the bank,

i dont think it would stand up to legal scrutiny...

i will continue and if there is a saddo parked in his car in the precinct sat watching then i will argue it legally when i get a ticket ( which i wont pay ! )LOL 


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Posted By: Dave-R
Date Posted: 05 March 2016 at 6:32pm
I got a ticket for doing just that in Reading, but I know the guy who runs SWS parking, he s my MMA trainer, and he rang the company in question and they cancelled the ticket.


Posted By: Bucks Fizz
Date Posted: 06 March 2016 at 6:10am
I'm surprised when passing the precinct (heading to Church Lane Car Park) these days that it is virtually empty. Looks like the 'presence' of the sinister spy is now scaring shoppers away from using the precinct.


Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 06 March 2016 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by Bucks Fizz Bucks Fizz wrote:

I'm surprised when passing the precinct (heading to Church Lane Car Park) these days that it is virtually empty. Looks like the 'presence' of the sinister spy is now scaring shoppers away from using the precinct.


Probably. I used to park there and then drop into one or two shops on the way back to the car. Now I park on Market Street or just don't bother. I feel sorry for shops along High Street as people could park in Budgens or precinct. Now they have to use main car park or park on double yellows.


Posted By: JohnohUK
Date Posted: 06 March 2016 at 10:55pm
I'm not so sure.. I probably pop in more often now, given I know I can get a space.. before was an absolute nightmare, with most of the spaces taken up with office workers... Now they've all moved to the lower road... for a cheap traffic calming solution..


Posted By: Hugh G Rection
Date Posted: 07 March 2016 at 6:25am
I feel that it is an improved situation in that you can pop in and get a space...does anyone have any real examples of issued a ticket for walking into the Market Place?


Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 07 March 2016 at 6:43am
It will come. They are there to make money. Remember the last lot, clamping cars at night?

I will probably benefit as the last time I tried to buy a sandwich from Halls I couldn't get parked and didn't have time to park elsewhere. But generally I don't think I'll use the shops as much.


Posted By: prjohnsonnn
Date Posted: 21 March 2016 at 12:02am
Hi - i have had a ticket for overstaying the hour and am now in full flow getting it independently reviewed at POPLA (the parking adjudicator).  Without giving too much away on here the signage and tickets are almost certainly NOT legally enforceable.  Carflow who 'manage' the whole mess down there have got themselves in a right mess and have tripped up.... anyone else who is sitting on the standard £100 ticket (reduced to  £60 if paid promptly..!!) then drop a note to me and i will be glad to help .  No catch and no fees...i am just someone who positively hates these scammers and i am happy to help.

PJ

email me at yourparkingrights@gmail.com..... just created this address to help others out who have been scammed by these leeches




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Posted By: Paul_G
Date Posted: 21 March 2016 at 6:39pm
Dear prjohnsonnn,

Excellent post!  Whilst I have no need of your advice I think your generous offer openly posted on this public forum is to be commended,

P


Posted By: prjohnsonnn
Date Posted: 28 March 2016 at 11:55am
Here is a good first appeal to Carflow . Send as soon as you receive the first letter from them.  They will probably kick it back but it shows the motorist knows his 'stuff' and alerts them to the fact that at the if it goes to the second POPLA appeal stage then the motorist is almost certain to win on any n umber of grounds. 

1 - I received this ticket. I am appealing as the registered keeper

 

2 - I am aware that your signage is not sufficient to satisfy either the BoP Code of Practise or the ANPR requirements under the Data Protection Act. the ticket is therefore not enforceable.  Many appeals have been won on these grounds already at POPLA and in the event you do not agree to my appeal here now then you will lose at POPLA

 

3 - The tickets are being issued by Carflow and I require to see the  full unredacted copy  evidence of the contract that you have giving you the authority to a)manage , b) ticket and invoice at this car park and c) proceed to full legal redress including court proceedings.  I do not believe you have this and now that I have asked for this copy of the contract you are indeed obliged to show me. You will say 'no you dont' but I assure you that you are obliged to show me this now and in the event that you do not then this is an automatic win for me at POPLA

 

4 - Signage at the car park has NO Planning permission according to our Council investigation.  This will again be cited at POPLA

 

5 - Reasonable Commercial justification..... following the Beavis vs Parking Eye decision I am now able to require you to set out the full  the  'reasonable commercial justification' for the amount being charged.  Please send me details of how the amount is arrived at and demonstrate the commercial justification for the excessive amount being charged for this very short overstay.  

 

6 - VAT Invoice - as the amount you are claiming here is not being described as a 'fine or penalty' then it is an amount subject to VAT.   Inland revenue & Customs will be informed in the evnt that you do not provide this VAT invoice to me

 

In event you decline my appeal on any of the grounds above then send me a POPLA code with immediate effect

 

Regards

 



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Posted By: Bucks Fizz
Date Posted: 20 April 2016 at 4:16pm
Well the challenge has been won: http://www.getbucks.co.uk/news/local-news/campaigners-delighted-successful-parking-charge-11209121

I'm not sure this isn't a pyrrhic victory, though. We could end up with searchlights in the car park. I notice it's still four fifths empty these days, and I, for one have stopped shopping there. Sorry, Halls Bakery. People vote with their feet - and they rarely return.


Posted By: big baggles
Date Posted: 20 April 2016 at 7:36pm
i spoke to jenny in halls and she was saying alot of the precinct traders are in favour as people can actually nip in, park easily, make purchases and then leave easily ....so its not all doom and gloom, some traders like the new regulations

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Posted By: EmmaO
Date Posted: 20 April 2016 at 8:06pm
Yes that's what I'd heard too and it's certainly been easier for me to shop there, as I said on the other thread though, I wish it was for longer, two or three hours.

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Posted By: Bucks Fizz
Date Posted: 21 April 2016 at 6:55am
I and most of my neighbours have actually stopped shopping in CSP altogether now, chiefly because of the parking but also because Budgens stocks are being run down and none of us is a fan of the Co-op. Since we have to take the car out anyway in order to carry groceries home, we might as well drive that little bit further, use Tesco car park and take the 3 hours free parking to browse the shops there, meet friends, buy books, have a coffee etc.

The CSP traders may not have noticed that CSP has shops standing empty whilst GX does not.

I imagine it was the all day parking by staff at those offices along the A413 that caused the issues in the first place? You'll now find them parking at the community centre.


Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 21 April 2016 at 8:03am
Must admit, it has stopped me shopping in the village. It is good for Halls, I have previously tried to park at lunchtime and ended up going elsewhere so I will benefit eventually, but I've stopped visiting the other shops, including Flames and Judds.


Posted By: big baggles
Date Posted: 21 April 2016 at 8:42am
malc dont you still get your wooly pullies from M and co ?

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Posted By: EmmaO
Date Posted: 21 April 2016 at 7:21pm
Malc it is ideal to park there and go to Judds and Flames, I'm sure you'll never get into trouble for parking there and shopping two mins away, how could they police that?

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Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 21 April 2016 at 8:36pm
Baggles, as you know I'm sure, M&co do not cater for men. It's a valuable shop for the village but nothing in there for me


Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 21 April 2016 at 8:39pm
Emma, I always try and obey the rules. If I got fined £80 or whatever for buying a kebab from Flames, I'd rather not take the chance.


Posted By: watsy
Date Posted: 22 April 2016 at 10:24am
M & C do have stuff for men and the shop next to the sports shop is just for men.


Posted By: big baggles
Date Posted: 23 April 2016 at 12:13pm
agreed watsy..... m and co do childrens, womens, mens and home furnishing products



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need a stella and i need one now !


Posted By: prjohnsonnn
Date Posted: 17 December 2017 at 7:00pm
Just a reminder if anyone gets a ticket at this badly managed car park. 

It's easily defended as they are not in full compliance with their legal requirements on ticket issuance.

DONT pay anything that they ask you to as its just an unenforceable INVOICE..........to be clear what they send you is NOT a parking FINE although they try and dress it up as such! 

This is PRIVATE land owned by a private company and the money will simply go into their pockets ...its NOT a fine as on say a double yellow or council car park which IS a fine and where that money would go to the council / courts / government.  

For any help just drop me an email at yourparkingrights@gmail.com and i will guide you through the appeal process against this lot ...

PJ


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Posted By: hissing sid
Date Posted: 18 December 2017 at 2:01am
can the owner of the property, impound and if necessary remove the car.

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It's a free country, adopt whatever PC stance you want. Just don't tell me which stance I should take just because it clashes with your opinion.



Posted By: lesleyr
Date Posted: 18 December 2017 at 9:36am
No cars parked on private land can not be impounded or clamped unless by the police as an abandoned car or the land has public access and it can then be clamped by the dvla if untaxed. Removal by the land owner could be seen as theft !!


Posted By: prjohnsonnn
Date Posted: 03 January 2018 at 9:35pm
Correct - this is private land and managed under the Protections of Freedom Act (PoFA) and clamping and car removals is strictly forbidden in law.  That's why they resort to just issuing a parking invoice / ticket and seek to extort money from drivers using threats.  

These are NOT fiens - they are simply a private company issuing drivers with uneforceable invoices. 

Pass the word round and feel free to drop me a note for help tto avoid paying them anything. 


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